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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ways to improve my Alternative Pokemon Tiering System
25 Mar 2020 17:41
The distinguished Dedode spake:

Well, where do I start?... At first when you made the tiering system I though it was ok cause it's some sort of measuring power. But you went to far dividing the tiers, it's so confusing, it's almost like taking Smogon tiering system and dividing it even more. Simply put, imagine someone making a PT team, he would have to constantly check the list to see the appropiate abilities and items in the respective generation to play accordingly to the tier. To tedious in my opinion.
This is the main reason why on Smogon there isn't a division of pokemon that cant use baton pass and others that can, they simply ban the move so its less confusing.
Another aspect to look at is the purpose of this tier list. Smogon tiering system goes by popularity of the pokemon used on competitions in a way that excludes any Pokemon centralizing the main tiers, so more Pokemon can be used instead of just a bunch.
As much as I like the idea of an alternative to the main tiering systems we have to admit that creating one that actually works is not an easy task for this little community. You can instead create certain rules to play around like battle formats, I think that would be simplier for everyone.


Not really.

I mean, I get your point, but at present, there are so few things other than BST and Legendary Status that affect a Pokémon's Tier, that it's still pretty simple.

To simplify it, think of the Tiers like this:

UT and LT are simply my attempt to divide the Battle Frontier Banlist ("UN", as I now call it) into 2 separate Tiers.

For example, Black and White Kyurem are UT, while regular Kyurem is LT.

Dawn Wings Necrozma, Dusk Mane Necrozma, and Zygardes with Power Construct are UT, while regular Zygarde 50% Formes and Necrozmas are LT.
(Regular Zygarde 10% Formes are AT RN, due to their low BST.)

As for the idea of applying certain restrictions on Abilities (aside from Power Construct), that's still up in the air RN, but when talking about HA Pokémon, there are some that have obviously OP HAs, and I'm willing to make special Rules regarding them.

It doesn't make it that complicated unless you have a ton of HA Pokémon, either, which (as a person who plays the regular games, and hasn't done anything on Showdown) doesn't seem to complicated to me.
(Not to mention I'll be finishing those lists of what's in each Tier, eventually.)

The main things of importance (to me) are being consistent with GAME FREAK's System (which means that the division between LT and MDT is sacred), and the timelessness aspect.

If you battled with a certain Pokémon in Gen 4, it'll be in the same Tier in Gen 8, provided that you don't utilize some new aspect of Gameplay that increases it's EBST dramatically, like Mega Evolution, or Eviolite.
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ways to improve my Alternative Pokemon Tiering System
21 Mar 2020 16:34
The distinguished Finrod spake:

There isn't much to say though, and technically you can apply the Kyurem black thing to every pokemon. Well I'm just here to help so. Have you considered moving up pokemon with very OP hidden abilities? Particularly serperior who is very famously known to sweep entire teams with contrary leaf storm which boosts its attack by 2 stages every time he uses it.


Actually, I thought of doing just that to a number of different Pokémon.

Dedode mentioned that Greninja would be PT in my current System, and while I'd like to keep all of the (non-Mega Evolved) Fully Evolved Starter Pokémon in PT, I could bump up Protean Greninjas, Contrary Serperiors, and (possibly) Ash Greninja to DT.
(That'd be the same Tier as the Pseudos, which seems about right.)

Also, I was considering bumping Multiscale Lugias to UT, although that'd be a little awkward because of the whole "Equality" thing.
(Unless I raised Regenerator Ho-ohs to UT, as well.)

What do you think?
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ways to improve my Alternative Pokemon Tiering System
21 Mar 2020 12:08
OK, first of all, I'd like to apologize to all of the Competitive Pokémon Players here, for being overly defensive (and at times confrontational) about my Alternative Pokémon Tiering System.
(I'd also like to thank those who supported it as well, though.)

Anyway, rather than defending my (WAY too BST based) Tiering System, I created this Thread to discuss it, and the different ways I could improve it.

To be clear, I'm NOT dead set on the idea of a BST based Tiering System, it's just that that was the simplest way of creating a Tiering System that possesses the characteristics that I want in my Tiering System, which are:

1. Consistency with GAME FREAK's "2 Tier System"

This is the single most important part of my Tiering System.

I often refer to what I call the "2 Tier System" present in-game, and when I do so, I simply mean the Pokémon allowed at places such as the Battle Frontier, which I call "UE" ("Usable Everywhere"), and the Banlist for such places, which I call "UN" ("Usable Nowhere").

In my System, the 2 highest Tiers (UT and LT), are reserved exclusively for UN Pokémon, while the 6 lower Tiers are only for UE Pokémon.

There are (as of Gen 7) 5 exceptions to this: Phione, Zygarde 10% Forme (with Aura Break), Cosmog, Cosmoem, and Meltan.

These are allowed in the lower Tiers because (despite their in-game classification) they are simply not competitive with the other UN Pokémon, due to their WAY lower Stats.


2. Equality

There's a lot more to a Pokémon than it's Stats, and I would very much like to base the Tier allocations of Pokémon on more than their BST, or even their "EBST".

That being said, I do NOT want the appearance of double standards in my System, regardless of the "advantages" (actual or perceived) of one Pokémon over what (to a Casual Player) would appear to be it's equal.

I must defer to the Black Kyurem thing here, as it is the single best example of what I do NOT want to see in my Tiering System.

Currently, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are both classified as UT in my System, and regular Kyurem is LT, and I'm not going to change these classifications, regardless of these Pokémon's status in other Tiering Systems.
(Or make any similarl decisions, that would be hard to justify to a non-Competitive Player.)

I will, however, be willing to look at a wide array of other factors, besides BSTs, Dark Void, and exclusive Held Items.
(Going based solely off of those is pretty constraining, lol!)


3. Timelessness

I'm making this Tiering System for Gen 4 onwards, and I do NOT want my Tier allocations to vary across Generations.
(Gens 1-3 were too different to apply my System to, however.)

This might sound completely ridiculous to a Competitive Pokémon Player, but it is important to me nonetheless, and actually presents a new way to look at things.

For example, my Tiering System classifies Dusclops as AT in Gen 4, and does the same in Gen 5 and beyond, despite the addition of the Held Item Eviolite, which benefited this Pokémon tremendously.

If given an Eviolite, Dusclops' classification changes to PT instead, however, in recognition of how powerful it is when holding this Item.
(Soul Dew, Kommonium Z, and Thick Club are other examples of this.)

Also, the Move Dark Void is treated in a similar fashion (despite being available in Gen 4), and is confined to PT and above, due to Smeargle.
(In an actual Pokémon Game, it could be difficult to find a way to teach a Smeargle this Move, due to the fact it's only learned by the Mythical Pokémon Darkrai.)


Anyway, I'm pretty much flexible on everything else, and I'm willing to consider WAY more than Stats.

In fact, when checking the BSTs of a few different Pokémon (including Gengar, and Ferrothorn), I became dissatisfied with the way my own Tiering System classified these Pokémon, which is the primary reason I'm doin this RN.

I made lists of the Pokémon currently in the 4 highest Tiers (although IDK much about Gen 8, which means they might be missing some Gen 8 Pokémon), and put links to these lists in my Tiering System Blog.

I'm open to almost any suggestion that doesn't go against the 3 principles U mentioned above, and TBH, although it'd be difficult, I'm also willing to consider multiple different Tiering Systems, for the different Battle Formats.
(One for Singles, one for Doubles, one for Triples, one for Rotation Battles, and one for Battle Royals.)

Anyway, sorry for the speech, lol!
(I just wanted to make sure that I didn't leave out anything important.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Forum Game: It's super effective!
21 Mar 2020 11:19
The distinguished popuko115 spake:

Walrein use powder snow!

( it suprised me that not only fairy types damage rayquaza, but also ice type moves as well )


Black Kyurem uses Fusion Bolt!
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ideas for future Pokemon Games
13 Mar 2020 23:35
The distinguished Dedode spake:

screw z-crystrals. bring back megas


Well, I would say that bringing back Megas would be sufficient, but no Z-Crystals means no Ultra Necrozma, and even without it.s Z-Move, Ultra Necrozma is one AWESOME Pokémon!
(Certainly far better than Dawn Wings or Dusk Mane Necrozma.)

And they should obviously bring back Primal Reversion, too.
(And IDK if the got rid of Power Construct, or any the Zygarde's Core Moves or not, but if they did, they should bring them back, as well.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ideas for future Pokemon Games
25 Jan 2020 08:32
Well, now that I know they removed them in Gen 8, I think bringing back Mega Evolution and Z-Crystals would DEFINITELY be an improvement.
(And how about giving some more Pokémon Mega Stones, too.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Post your favorite pokemon here!
05 Jan 2020 08:17
Hardcore Dragon-type Trainer, here.
(I also like Water, Ghost, and Ice-types a lot, too, though.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ideas for future Pokemon Games
02 Nov 2019 11:18
The distinguished jaketheguy spake:

And also you can pick the difficulty:easy, normal, hard, etc.??? You get a award too

Good idea, IMO.

BTW, they did something like that in Black 2/White 2.
(They should've kept it, IMO.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Forum Game: It's super effective!
16 Oct 2019 02:19
The distinguished Skeptical spake:

Dialga, use Hyper Beam!


Um, unless you're in an Inverse Battle, that wouldn't be "Super Effective".
(Then again, in non-Inverse Battles, Hyper Beam can never be "Super Effective".)

Anyway:

Zygarde uses Thousand Arrows!

or, for an Inverse Battle:

Mega Rayquaza uses Dragon Ascent!
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Forum Game: It's super effective!
04 Oct 2019 13:48
Giratina used Shadow Force!
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ideas for future Pokemon Games
04 Oct 2019 13:47
The distinguished Gemini Guardian spake:
the only thing is figuring out how to make multi battles work on showdown


Yep.

I'm sure that if enough people asked for it, the folks over at Smogon would probably be willing to add at least Multi, Triple, and Rotation Battles, even if they didn't do all that other crazy stuff I had mentioned, lol.

BTW, another idea (for both Showdown and the Handheld Games):

Team Battles, like the ones done in Waterfall Colosseum in Pokémon Battle Revolution.

Basically, you pick what order you send your Pokémon out, and so does your opponent, and then each of your Pokémon Battles 1v1 (or in a Double Battle, 2v2) against your opponents Pokémon, without being able to switch out.

The Battle is divided into separate 1v1 (or 2v2) Matches, and whoever Wins the most Matches Wins the Battle.

In Waterfall Colosseum, 5 Pokémon are selected in Single Battles, and 6 in Double Battles, and you need to Win 3 of the 5 Matches in a Single Battle, or 2 of the 3 Matches in a Double Battle.
(The same idea could also be applied to Multi, Triple, or Rotation Battles, in theory.)

Anyway, just another one of Draconid Joashu's crazy ideas, lol!
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Forum Game: It's super effective!
03 Oct 2019 09:39
The distinguished Draconid_Jo spake:
The distinguished Gemini Guardian spakequote]The distinguished Draconid_Jo spakequote]The distinguished Gemini Guardian spake:The distinguished Draconid_Jo spake:The distinguished Gemini Guardian spake:The distinguished Gemini Guardian spake:
Xerneas use Bloom!!




moonblast*

Lol, either way, it's a Fairy-type Move, so you're good. <img src="/chatrooms/smilies/alien1.gif">
(If Bloom was a Move, it'd be a Fairy-type one, anyway.)

it'd probably fit, since i've seen fairy-types with flowers :O

True, lol!

I mean, Florges basically IS a Flower, and it's a straightout Fairy-type, without even being part Grass-type.

Anyway:

Ultra Necrozma uses Sunsteel Strike!

waitttt
i didn't know ultra necrozma could learn that move[/quote]

Yep!

Since both Dawn Wings and Dusk Mane Necrozma can use Ultra Burst to transform into Ultra Necrozma, it can know either Sunsteel Strike OR Moongeist Beam, depending on which Necrozma it started out as before Ultra Burst.[/quote]

My Ultra Necrozma's been waiting for an awfully long time now…
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In "And then..."
03 Oct 2019 09:37
He finally broke out, and started looking for more Cheese, and then…
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Ideas for future Pokemon Games
03 Oct 2019 09:33
IK I made this Thread for people to discuss ways to make the Core Series Handheld Games better, but since I've learned a bit about Pokémon Showdown recently, I thought I'd mention a few ways it could be improved:

-Add Multi Battles

-Add Triple Battles

-Add Rotation Battles

-Add Battle Royals

-Add Horde Battles
(Similiar to those couple of 1v5 Trainer Battles in Ω Ruby/α Sapphire.)

-Add Tag Team Battles
(Like in the old Pokémon Stadium Games, although I'd settle for just adding Multi Battles, instead.)

-Add those same 3v3 Multi Battles I mentioned wanting in the Core Series Games
(Smogon could actually outdo the Battling Options in the Core Series Games, if they set their Minds to it.)
Anyway, just a few thoughts on what will probably remain a dead Bulletin Board Thread, lol!
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Plans to revive this site
18 Sep 2019 08:20
The distinguished zachphillips95 spake:
That last time I used this website was when I was in middle school. I'm 24 now and in the marine corps. I hopped on again hoping it was still being used and I'm thinking maybe we need to just advertise. A lot. Perhaps even a gofundme to revive this site. This website was literally my childhood. Lots of good memories and it breaks my heart to see it this empty. We definitely need to bring it back. The nostalgia is definitely real. Hopefully we can make it happen!


Yeah, advertising would make a HUGE difference IMO, because I think the only real reason that more people aren't coming here, is that so few people even know about it.
(Then again, I may be wrong.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In [color=black]Rate the person above you on their signature.[/color]
16 Sep 2019 12:14
7/10, it's pretty clever, IMO.

Also, thanks cdog, from one Anime Weeb to another.

I like your Signature a lot, too, BTW, although I can't rate it at this point, I suppose.

It's a 10/10, as well.
(I just had to rate it, lol!)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In [color=black]Rate the person above you on their signature.[/color]
15 Sep 2019 14:42
The distinguished banjo2 spake:
7/10 Interesting, but, enough to do what? (Context would be appreciated)


10/10.

Now that I know where you got that from, it's probably my Favorite Signature here, actually.
(Other than my own, of course.)

BTW, I recently made this Blog about my Signature, which explains exactly what it means, as well as the context.
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In [color=black]Rate the person above you on their signature.[/color]
14 Sep 2019 05:29
9/10, in general, I'd say that it's true, and people definitely need to think like that more.
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In Therapy Sessions- What's on your mind?
09 Sep 2019 19:40
I know I'm late to Post here, but I'm DEFINITELY in need of some Therapy, lol!

First, let me say this to my Friend, Siling-La, though:

While there's pretty much no way for you to not be bothered by it, one thing that usually helps me is to remember that it's all temporary, and that eventually, you won't have to out up with it all anymore.
(Although I wonder if that's true sometimes in my case, lol.)

Anyway, as far as my own problems, y'all are probably already familiar with my Dad (I certainly whine enough about him, lol), who is all around a pretty bad person, despite how much I Love him (I don't think I'm even capable of not Loving him, actually).

Well, like most people, I have Hopes and Dreams, and although there's a fairly decent chance that this World may crush those Hopes, and shatter those Dreams (which sadly happens to WAY too many people), I'm worried that I may never even get the chance for that to happen, as I'm already 25, and my Dad still hasn't even gotten around to helping me get my GED.
(Or an ID, or letting me Register to Vote, or letting me walk outside freely, or letting me use the Internet, or letting me enter Pokémon Competitions, or letting me have Friends…)

Anyway, I'm TRYING to wait and see if he ever gets his act together, as he does occasionally talk about some of these things (although he never actually does anything about any of it), but it's EXTREMELY frustrating, especially since I'm not getting any younger, lol!
(I'm a little worried I'll be in this same situation 10, or even 20 years from now.)
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Draconid_Jo (45)
In "And then..."
09 Sep 2019 18:22
He broke out, by gnawing "Mouse Holes" in the Walls, and went out to look for a Grocery Store, where he thought he might (finally) find some real Cheese, and then…
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