omg this is so sad! i saw pictures of babies after the abortion was done and i just felt like i was going to scream everyone abortion is a cruel violent thing to do! if you dont want the baby you could just put it in an orphanage AFTER its BORN!

species>nation

Neon - An entire species? The child could one day form an entire nation.

bomb-As I said previously, if someone were going to be killed, that i didn't know at all, i'd let them die. And no, people shouldn't kill. I'd never kill another person, but I don't care if some random person is murdered. Think about it, YOU DON'T CARE EITHER! Do you cry or feel depressed every time someone has an abortion or is murdered? No. You move on with your life, because you have no idea who they were. No one truly cares about the whole planet, just themselves and those who are close.

should u kill heck no them u shouldnt abort

So u would let some kill

population*

bomb-i have that same thought about how i used to be a fetus, especially since i wasn't a planned child. i myself would never reccomend abortion, but if someone is going to abort, i wouldn't try stopping them. it's their life, which means it is their choice. another thing, not everyone in the world is going to do it and the popultain is constantly increasing. it would actually be a good thing if our reproduction rate slowed so we'd stop destroying places for material or land development
blackout-it is their choice. if something goes wrong, you are not to blame

Ok think for one moment u were a feedus (i no poor spelling) would u like to be killed bye ur parents just because they dont wont u or the got by been raped. So just remember the more abortions the less people. which means no more people thus ur slowly destroying the world through "legal murder". ever if the mother might died morally the baby should live.


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The difference is we'd be randomly whiping out an entire species, opposed to one thing.

@Hero- the difference is that we didn't create those beings. they aren't our responsibility. as you said, we'd just be watching and waiting.

I stand with the minority of this blog. I think abortion should be a last resort, and only used if the mother is in danger of being harmed.

Ok, I'm going to try using an analogy. Let's say, in the near future, we finally find a planet with the potential for life. It is in the Goldilocks zone, it has water - all the necessary building blocks to create life. Then we dicover bacteria on that planet. Bacteria that will one day form into sentient beings. Would we destroy these bacteria? No! We would be watching eagerly. Waiting. Hoping. What is the difference between this and giving birth?

neon-btw i never said we are fetuses. my argument was all about future value. Biologically speaking we are animals, but not all of us behave the way that "animal" describes when used figuratively.

neon-I actually have the same thought about letting people do what they want. I recognize the flaws in my argument, you don't need to point them out, but it's pretty hard to defend something that has already lost. I just wanted to see how long I'd last. It's hard to find someone to debate with. The fact that you thought I was being serious made it more real, so I know that I truly lost. This is actually the first argument I have ever lost. Everyone else who reads this is probably gonna think I'm a jerk, you'll probably be mad that I wasted your time, but I thought it was fun.

We aren't fetuses. Fetuses aren't dominant over animals on the earth. Can a fetus defend itself against a bear? No. A grown person can rarely even do that. And we ARE ANIMALS.

And I don't know how old you are, but protection can fail, you know. And rapists don't exactly use condoms.

If abortion became illegal people will STILL GET THEM (just like every other illegal thing), they'll just resort back to dangerous methods of terminating their pregnancy which will most likely result in the mother and baby/fetus dying.

Why can't you people just get your noses out of other people's business and let them do what they want. You can go and NEVER have an abortion if you want to, we're not stopping you, but why can't you just leave it alone so that women can get safe abortions in a healthy, clean environment, if necessary.

neon-so do you think of a fetus as a person or not? if you do you're basically supporting murder.
compare the number of killers to innocent civilians. the odds of the baby becoming a killer are lower.
if people stopped having unprotected sex, when they don't want children, abortion wouldn't be necessary. there is no need to kill, when it could've been prevented.
if an animal is better than a fetus, why is it that our specie dominated the earth?

My stance is that: A fetus only has 3 differences from a "human". Size, Location, Dependence. None of those are valid reasons to say that a fetus is inferior.

And a fetus also has the potential to be the next big serial killer. And, for somebody who's cosidering abortion, the chances of the fetus growing up and turning out "bad" would be higher, I'm guessing, because the person obviously isn't ready for/does not want a child.

They'd be less crowded if people got more abortions too.. haha. And I never actually said a fetus wasn't a person, and yeah, an "animal" is better than a fetus. A fetus can't even survive out of the womb.

unknown-pay attention to your words and learn to spell your own username correctly. you meant to say that having the choice to abort is good.
just because a child is left in an orphanage, it doesn't mean it will have a terrible life.
also a rape baby is a completely different situation. in that case, although i do believe it is wrong to kill the fetus, the mother should get to choose.
@panzer-they'd be less crowded if teens would stop having unprotected sex. i blame the music for influencing them.

Orphanages are crowded as is...

So, do you kill the baby, or do you dump him in an orphanage?

neon-so you're saying that a fetus isn't a human being and because of that we get to decide its fate? elephants aren't human beings, but it's illegal to kill them. even for nonendangered species we need a lisence to hunt. so is a fetus less valuable than some wild animal? something that could potentially find a cure for a disease, or maybe find an inexpensive, nonpolutant fuel source is worth less than something that just eats and sleeps?

Difference between killing a fetus and a dude in a coma? Very simple. A fetus has a future.

@neon The fetus hasn't developed the capibility to do those things yet. What my previous post meant is that no one here has yet to state exactly why killing a fetus is any different from killing a developed being. So you're essentially saying that because the fetus isn't aware of existing yet, one can kill it?

@Neon: Exactly. It's a null-defense.

So you can't tell the difference between killing an adult, with friends, family, a job, hopes, dreams, emotions, a fully developped brain.. and killing a fetus which wouldn't be fully developped, no hopes, dreams, friends, job, just a mindless being not aware of it's own existance? Scary.

wild internet surfer (lv.42) appeared?what the cuss does that mean?

To all those who are for abortion, think about yourself. You were a fetus at some point too. Do you think it would've been alright for someone to end your life, just because they didn't want to deal with you?

i say give the fetus a choice:
if it kicks within a 5 minute voting period, it wants to live.
otherwise, 'kill' it.

: D ^not being serious^
let the parents decide.

I've yet to see a post that clearly defines what differentiates killing a fetus and killing a person...

Agree with pikachu and drwho i guess, too lazy to write out all my arguments, plus they're basically the same as a lot here. I'm pro-choice. And before somebody brings up this lame old "arguement", as a former feus, no I would not care in the least if i'd been aborted.

And as a screwed up person, I'd just like to say, If you can't tell the difference between killing a full grown adult, and killing a freakin' fetus, you sir, need therapy.

@Protistra: Um, in case you haven't noticed, our Country's a little too bigoted to let anything be President right now. So, scrap that shield-point too...

@Skittles: You could, and I applaud that.[not really] Another thing. What makes this different from "pulling the plug" on someone in a coma? I'm using this to defend it, in case it comes off as attacking abortion...

@drwho Um, what's to say when something is counted as being "alive"? Using that logic, I could kill a person in a comatose state with no repurcussions since they are brain dead. o.o

Yes but remember, that baby couls've become a doctor, a lawyer, the PRESIDENT.

Why be so selfish as to take that away?

@drwho I'd say because ending the future of a living being, murder in other words, is wrong. My stance anyway.

Freedom? So am I allowed to go to America and kill a person because I have freedom?

Cool.

It's legal because the goverment (I think, I'm not American remember) refuse to think of the fetus as living.

I am in "agreetion"[R.I.P. Mr. Good] w/ Drwho.

Hullbreach just saved me alot of writing xD

Virgins are seen as losers, silly. It's untrue, but that's what everyone says. Thus, it has been made true.

My only question is: And why are virgins made fun of?....

Well, while I disagree that it's "wrong", I shall agree to disagree, and that is my final stance.

Abortion is murder unless it is needed to save the mother's life. In that case it would be legally considered self-defense because its act is preserving a life, rather than causing both lives to be lost.

You can see the double-standard in cases like that of Scott Peterson, who killed his ex-wife and their unborn child. He was charged with first- and second-degree murder, respectively. Yet, if she had aborted the child, she would not have been charged with first-degree murder. How can the law accept one person killing the fetus but not the other?

Abortion is a brutal process that inflicts a great deal of pain on the baby, and many of them temporarily survive the process when it takes place past the first trimester. In such cases, it is common to hear that the practitioners (They are not doctors because they break the Hippocratic Oath.) simply toss those newborn babies aside to suffocate with their underdeveloped lungs. Imagine dying of asphyxiation; it does not sound like a painless way to go.

What many people don't realize is that Norma McCorvey (as Jane Roe for anonymity) from the famous Roe v. Wade abortion case became a strong pro-lifer after seeing a chart in a hospital that showed the progression of fetal development. This comes from her book Won by Love:

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

"I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

The stem cell argument is a moot point because absolutely zero diseases have been cured with embryonic stem cells. Those cells have always been rejected by the recipient's body. Politicians just use that argument for political gain. The future of stem cells come from adult cells that are pulled from marrow, blood, skin, teeth buds, and other areas. The hold-up has been that most stem cells are not in dense enough quantities to "refine" for usefulness, but progress is made daily.

The fetus dies.


Someone killed it.

That's murder.

People have to stop treating the fetus like an object, what if you had been aborted? Your best friend?

I am very glad this country is against abortion.

Really, I'm meh-ish on the subject. I'm usually pro-choice to everything. But killing babies is a strong NO to me.

@Waffle: I like that idea, sincerely.

I would say with so many ways to prevent a baby and a person gets pregnant still. Then I would feel no sympathy for them. If they want to "terminate" the baby they can go right ahead but, they would have to use their money to pay for it. Instead of the gov't paying for the abortion.

You know, you're right. Pro choice all the way. The fetus could be used for stem cells and save lives, too. While we're at it, we should legalize murder. Your nutrient-rich bodies would make great fertilizer for our crops. Then we could feed the starving children of the world! It's a win-win!

Many people decide whether or not someone lives. It happens everyday. Not just through abortion, but, through the Justice System, crime, and such. So, yes. I believe so. Also, the cells/Fetus still live, technically, through the new Host.

While I'm all for freedom, I'd like to bring up a point. Should a woman be able to decide a child should not live?
Cue the discussion flaming of me.

Woman's choice, I may not always agree with what someone is doing, but I will defend their right to do it.

Korn, I usually think you're an annoying douche bag but oh my God. Thank you for that comment. Also, you seem to be the voice of blunt truth lol

Thank you, Winter.

The Ram wins the internetz.
LOL i love you (no homo XD)

To me, abortion is nothing less than murder, period. Believe it or not, life is never a mistake, no matter what the circumstances.

I am pro-choice. It is a woman's choice, not mine, Obama's, or anyone else's. If it must be done, it has to be. There are sometimes reasons why a baby must absolutely be aborted, you know.

Hmm, Don has a point, it's no one else's business... I wonder if Chicago kept the "Bubble-Zone" Law active... Hopefully.

Like I said in my blog, I do not know what is to be considered the "correct" answer since I have inherent bias.

Hmm, touchy subject... I congratulate the way you showed your point of view in this matter, although I have to say I am "pro-choice" in this opinion. A lot of my opinions were somewhat expressed in Waste's comment, so I have nothing other to say. Thumbs up.

@Waste: Thank you. And, probably shouldn't have mentioned the last bit. xD

Anyway, another thing, on how Waste said they bring god into it. Every so often, in the summer, usually, some big Pro-Life Group comes to the Loop[the cnter of Chicago], during Rush Hour, in which many business people areheading home, and when tiny little kids are leaving the museums. Now, these Christians are showing these huge 4'2" images of unborn fetuses to everyone, and a crying Jesus on the reverse. They keep shouting and calling us "Devil's Minions", because we tell tem to screw off, while they get up in our faces with these photos. Is that right? Tell me, please.

I'm pro-choice.

(Pro-choice is when you believe women should decide whether or not to go on with the pregnancy. Pro-life is believing a baby should be born no matter what.)

I think a girl should decide what she wants to do with HER body. I think adoption is a much better idea but if you prefer abortion than I'm okay with it.

I will NEVER judge someone badly if they abort a fetus. I think a fetus becomes human(I don't think that's the word I'm looking for lol) when they fully develop a brain. But I detest when a girl keeps getting abortions! One or two is okay but when you're on you're 4, don't you think you're doing something wrong?

I also effing HATE when ultra delusional religious people pull up God into some of these cases. Not ALL of them but I hate when they say God wants it to turn into a baby. Um, first of, what if that baby turns into a lesbian? What if it turns into a gay boy? Well you start calling it an abomination? (-_- )

Please don't say you care about babies getting life if you won't help in any way what's so ever after that sucker pops outta there! Not everyone has the right resources.

My aunt has over 5 kids because both her baby daddies left her! She never even thought about abortion. I think she's a brave woman for trying to raise a massive family by herself!

I also think getting stem cells from aborted fetus is amazing. It's the future of science.

I didnt read the blog, by the way. Just want to put that on the table lol

I disagree. I am Pro-Choice, for many reasons, one being spite. Another, dear Trolls, is "freedom". I don't usually pull patriotic crap as an argumentive defense, but, I'm treading on cracked ice here. It is freedom of choice to choose to destroy this physical being, which, is a conglomerate of cells, like you and me. However, dear morons... The Stem Cells, "harvested" from the Fetus' spinal chord, are beneficial in medical practice, acting as a "Wild Card" in tiissue re-growth. Argue with me on this, I implore. Your religious opinion, My factual opinion.

Agreed entirely! If u don't want a baby then y do it for a few moments of pleasure.

-Kriegs

Oh, yeah, i forgot about that.
But hey!, a teen can die giving birth to a baby!, abortion isnt not always bad.

But i entirely disagree with abortion, thumbs up this blog.

Cause...
※The Teen could die when having the children
※Sometime theres no money .
※why would a teen have to carry about a baby?.

This is like 50%-50%
If you get raped, you have good grades, a good life in your future, you wont want a baby, right?.

if i were a girl ( and were raped) i would abort.
It is something horrible, but a teen doest have to carry that much weight.

Now, if the girl had "it", then she SHOULD take care of the baby, like... Why the heck did you have sex if you dont want a baby?, you idiot - ...-

:l

*reading rape baby comment*

If you don't want to keep a baby of someone who raped you, why not give the baby up after it has been born. You can give up a baby at a hospital right after you give birth to it. The baby lives, and you don't have to deal with it. The only downside is you will have to go through the pain of birth or you have to live with the guilt you "terminated" an innocent baby.

Why should the innocent baby be killed for its dad's evil?

well not only not wanting a baby, but what if its a rape baby...
Now Im a guy, but I wouldnt want to keep the seed of a person who raped me...

If you don't want a baby, don't make one. Don't make it, then kill it.

this is true in many ways but in high school if you dont want a child be protected or simply dont do it. I would have to agree with you 100%.

I see no reason why this was denied....Accepted because Well Writen and express your Bias towards this Subject