Alright.

Please check out my comment on Raptors blog. It took awhile to make.

Yeah, I figured.

It's not over.

RoD, again, no problem. Glad we had this subject debated.

No problem X)

Sounds like a guy just got unlucky and froze to death. We did have an ice age you know?

This is the kind of happy ending I love. Epic, you are the first who doesn't share my views that has actually given me credit for something, directly. Thank you.

Ram, thanks a lot for such a great opportunity to express my views and points.

DrWho, I hope for your side and mine you can mature a bit more so that people can't throw out "trolling" as some form of excuse for even commenting or things like this. I respect your views plenty. When you can do the same for me, only then will we be able to have a fair argument.

And yes, I learned this stuff from books, in the past. Though, it was a long time ago. I dare you to search my points, word-for-word. You won't find anything.

If you didn't get any help from documents or external sources, that just means you REALLY have no idea what you're talking about.

Well, Emblem, you tell me. Did god just kill off every single animal on earth every billion or so years and replace them with new ones?

What do you mean, "made a human"?

Thanks for your sharing opinion, but I strongly disagree. Do you seriously think we're from monkeys? The "Lucy" was really some monkey and human bone fossils. There are so many bones missing from "Lucy" and they're obviously trying to hide something. There's definitely not enough evidence of evolution being factual.
If it was true, scientists would have made a human already.

@Ram, too true XD

But, being an actively mean annoyance as opposed to a trolly anoyance.


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There IS a difference!

@Epic: I occasionally pride myself on it, in Troll-Mode. o3o

But, I see your point.

Being an annoyance isn't something to be proud of.

@DrWho, your attitude is really starting to annoy me. Sure, so RoD has different beliefs to us, but I respect him as an intelligent and level-headed person. Just because one or two beliefs differ does not make said person inherently stupid. Although I am 100% certain that my view is true, he is as well, and our views each make sense to ourselves. The difference is we are able to argue without resorting to violence.

So no, I intend to listen to him, because I am enjoying the debate.

RoD, I gladly respect your views. And thanks, been working on the open-minded part. I added you a while ago, y'know. o3o

For the sake of this argument, I will claim that random, natural mutations do occasionally occur, as is proven and observed all over the world.

@RoD, I think the idea behind bacteria isn't that they deliberately develop resistance to an antibiotic, because in a way that would be a form of adaptation, which, I believe, is an entirely different and more questionable branch of "evolution." I think the idea is that, through a random natural mutation, which do occasionally occur, a particular bacteria may happen to develop an immunity, and when they reproduce they clone the DNA giving them immunity. This is why viruses are almost impossible to fight with antibiotics, because they mutate very often. Also, just to be really nitpicking, but bacteria don't breed with each other, they reproduce asexually.

I have to agree with you on the adaptation part. At least, in the sense that an animal could not evolve within one lifetime purely because the need arose. However, a random mutation could occur resulting in an animal having slightly longer arms. I don't really count this as "adaptation" though.

Atavism I haven't really given enough thought or research into to give a fair judgement.

Natural selection is just pure logic really.
If an animal gets a random genetic mutation, one which happens to be beneficial in some way to them, then they are more likely to survive and pass on their genes than others of their kind.

Also, one last little thing, for an awful lot of your posts I have seen you stating that evolution gives "infinite potential for change" or something similar. What do you mean by that? I'm not sure where you are getting this "infinite" thing from?

Got a few typos in there... Oh well.

Clearly, we all have different ideas. The point of my blog was not to preach to everyone, but to just throw out the fact that Evolution is not a flawless hypothesis. There are massive amounts of scientific facts and proofs that counter and contradict what Evolution is supposed to be.

For example, the case of the Bombardier beetle. The organs and chemistry involved with it so complex it is impossible for it to have achieved it's offensive and defensive capabilities through a evolving.

Genetics from our modern era in time, clearly explain how in order for new limbs or adding on to a creature to make something new and improved, isn't possible by natural means. In order for something new, it must add to its own genetic code which is impossible.

If you don't like that DrWho, you can go talk to a scientist who specializes in this field and complain about how the world and nature fails because it doesn't work how you think.

Adaption doesn't work because you can't focus on doing something so hard that your body actually makes it possible by growing your arm longer than it needs to be. I'm sure there's some bird out there that wants to be able to poop acid, but that will never happen.

And Atavism, not possible. The simple reason being. Genetics and nature prove it wrong. There's nothing more to say.

The case with Lucy is even proof against Evolution. The very discoverer of the specimen stated it is not and was never on any branch that leads to humans. Plus, the assumption that it was the lost link came from just one bone. Seems like someone was just trying to be optimistic.

Natural Selection:

Medicine and bacteria are not proof of evolution. Your body's immune system creates anti bodies the instant the sickness is encountered. That's what shots for the flu and chicken pocks are for. The shots give your body just a small weakened does of it, that way if you ever get sick with it, your body will already have knowledge of the encounter and will be prepared for it.

Chances are you've actually gotten the chicken pocks at some point. Only, you didn't know it because it was fought off so quickly.

Medicine and shots are only updated every few years because some bacteria is more resistant than it's brother-en. However, what has this to do with the evolution of new kinds with new genetic information? Precisely nothing. what has happened in many cases is that some bacteria already had the genes for resistance to the antibiotics. In fact, some bacteria obtained by thawing sources which had been been frozen before man developed antibiotics have shown to be antibiotics-resistant. When antibiotics are applied toa population of bacteria, those lacking resistance are killed and any genetic information they carried with it. The survivors carry less information , but they are all resistant. The same principle applies to rats and insects "Evolving" resistance to pesticides. Again, the resistance was already there, and the creatures without resistance are eliminated.

That's just how nature works. What you have left is resistant bacteria all breeding with each other.

Honestly, think about how illogical it even is for bacteria to evolve to counter antibiotics. It doesn't have time to say,"Oh well, I guess when I reincarnate I'll have to add protection.. here here and here.." There's not enough time for bacteria to arm itself with new ways of protection if it's being eliminated.

DrWho, I thought that providing evidence as well as fact would be enough to poke through that blind fold of yours, I was wrong. I'm not trying to preach to you. I'm not saying this argument is over and "I win" either. I will counter everything you throw out at me. I won't stop until the facts and scientific analogies I show you are at least recognized for being true. They are. You can't live in a world were facts aren't facts. You can deny them all you want, but that will get you no where.

Ram, you have a more open mind. I appreciate all the hard work you've put into these blogs as well as your views. I complete respect what ever it is you choose to believe and place faith in. All I ask is you do the same for me.

Also, it would be cool if you would accept my friend request. You don't have too.

Creationism is God does exist in the world, and that means we as his creatures have someone to answer to.

Evolution is saying that all the flaws we have and the problems around us are normal. You can't have a justice and truth without God.

Evolution and Creationism (I like to call it Intelligent Design) CANNOT co-exist. They both contradict each other. This is where I disagree with you HullBreach.

You have some good points but not every answer lies in the past. Look around at the present and examine the details of life. I think evolution exists in a different form than what you speak of. Same with God. They are both true in some way. But that doesn't mean I'm denying God exists.

Yeah... Theoretically, Medicine helps prove Evolution, if necessary.

Exactly, Drwho. They build up resistance to failed chemicals, eventually, forcing us to combine and create new ones...

@Dude: Look, it's my opinion. And Objective Complete, then.

Same, Candy-Person.

I await your possible blog Danny.

I mostly agree with everything you said(both parts), but was rather annoyed by your "[sadly]" comment. Not needed at all, and kind of offensive. -3-

@Panzer: It is a possibility, but, God is a theory, as is Evolution and Creationism.

Maybe "god" created micro-organisms and then made them evolve?

Hmm, I'll look for those Thursday.

I'd be rather interested in an explanation, of how both interwine easily.
I agree, one side doesn't let the other have any mention, they never work toward a consensus.

I've always felt in a combination of both Evolution and Creation. Both are unproven theories that require a great deal of faith to fully believe. You can see evidence of both in nature, and that duality has no clashes for people on both sides who just look into them. I believe that Creation explains what happened, and evolution explains how it happened.

The problem many people have is blind ignorance to the opposing view of what they believe they know. I will go into the details in a blog if enough people are interested as to how both theories work in perfect harmony, but I will let it rest for now with two names to research on both sides of the aisle:

Charles Darwin Origin of special
St. Thomas Aquinas Summa_Theologica

@Tora: Technically, bones, fossils, the like. But, I'm just listing.

@drwho Your statement offers nothing in the way of proof.

There's little-to-[no] physical evidence of Creationism, but what (real)evidence is there of evolution?

@Crunchie: How was it only harsh when Drwho said it?!

well sometimes it is but earths a good place deep down,its amazing if you just think about it...
so that was harsh Dr.Who ↓

The idea of Hell, hence "Hell". But yes.

@Techno: You really want to start another Religious argument? FakeChrist...

So, do you say that to every Jew, Muslim, a Buddhist you meet here, or just Atheists?

And "Hell"=Earth. I'm having a fine time right now, thanks.

Ok, Have fun, Live life, Don't get saved.

Have fun in Hell.

@Epic: Thanks.He alrready made his Counter-Counter-Counter Blog? õ3Ô

DrWho, seriously, just because you disagree with RoD doesn't mean you have to be a rude, stuck up little person, sitting on your "high horse."

Good set of blogs, Ram
I just spent a good fifteen minutes poring over the last one RoD made

It's just that it's a bit hypocritical. I appreciate the support but.... Well, I'm not even trying to one-up another person, so, I guess you're not being a hypocrite... I forget..

@Drwho: It's funny that I'm doing the exact same thing, you know.

Nice blog! Its blogs like this that grind my gears! Thumbs up.

I'll provide an educated response later.

I don't believe much in Creationism. It's illogical. Yet, so is Evolution.

People complain about these blogs, and yet they continue to make them every day...

It just what some people believe,I'd say I'm neutral,I believe a bit of both